Alexey Kozyrev, Ministry of Telecom and Mass Communications: need for officials for their today's type, of course, will disappear

Alan Salbiyev: The digital economy is a trend, and to us, to regions, it is necessary to understand where we move. Now, watching this magnificence, the working groups, wonderful intellectual people, we feel in a front door of the big rich house and to us it is slightly uncomfortable. Tell us, please, about the place of regions in digital economy and what to us to expect?

Alexey Kozyrev: Each region should define the place to itself, proceeding from the specifics, the competences. The program contains now only those sections which are necessary in general for creation of conditions for development of digital economy. Within these conditions absolutely different industry transformational processes will develop. For agrarian regions the main effect from use of digital technologies will be in agriculture, for industrial regions — "the industry 4.0". For regions where there are opportunities for development of digital infrastructure - it is construction of data processing centers, development of fiber lines of communication. There will be demand and, respectively, the offer of these services, these technologies. This sector of economy will develop.

Initially, when we developed the text of the program, in it there were three industry directions — health care, "the smart city" and a state administration. And if to speak about applied relevance of the program for regions, then it is possible to tell that if these sections were included in the program, regions could see precisely for themselves a scope of work in the direction of "the smart cities", use of digital technologies in a state administration.

Considering that the program included only sections, basic, necessary for formation of conditions, there is no smart city and a state administration in the program now. But we calculate that the program will develop, there will be new sections, and think that we already in the nearest future will return to discussion of to supplement the text of the program with sections on the smart cities and a state administration, and to set for subjects the tasks within these directions.

Alan Salbiyev: The smart cities removed from the program absolutely suddenly, at the latest moment. For all of us it was surprise. In the fine plans we were already guided by what we will have subsystems that we will do. It was surprise and for the leading players of the market. When can inclusion of this direction in the program happen?

Also in due time developed different standard programs for regions. There was, for example, a standard program of regional informatization. Whether is going now your department to create some standard concepts and programs for regions for "Digital economy"?

Alexey Kozyrev: I think that making changes in the program will happen not earlier, than plans of implementation of already existing program will be approved. Most likely, at the first stage we will be defined how we will implement what is already approved, and then we will pass to expansion of the program. In terms of its development I would be guided by the first half of 2018.

If to speak about any standard standard documents, then I do not think that there is a need for like those. More likely, what we are going to do and we do for interaction with regions now, is technology interfaces which leave a certain independence for subjects, but, nevertheless, involve them in a uniform ecosystem. It concerns both the state information systems, and structuring subjects in program implementation.

Conditionally speaking if in the Digital Economy program there is a section about the smart cities, then we will define an order of formation of the list of these cities, an order of selection of projects for their implementation, and we will leave an opportunity to subjects independently to solve, how within these rules to work. I do not think that we need to write some template and allow to speak — "we regional acts will legalize it". More likely, we should create working mechanisms of interaction which would involve participants in the general process.

Alan Salbiyev: Those regions which are actively developed already now and here and there even adopt such programs how "Digital economy" of the subject, run ahead of the engine how it seems to you?

Alexey Kozyrev: I think, it would be wrong to give premature estimates. The program is not the end result. There are particular purposes, and it is more important to look at real achievements, at real progress. Someone does everything without programs, to someone documents, the relevant issued decisions are required that to implement projects. Therefore it seems to me that it is impossible to estimate a subject on existence and lack of the program and terms of their acceptance. It is important to look at result.

Alan Salbiyev: There are concerns that as soon as it becomes clear with financing, with management, with volumes and problems of "Digital economy", instantly will appear as at us often happens, a certain uniform contractor only. The spherical horse in a vacuum which to us everything will construct and everything will make. In the context of it there is a wish to understand here that. Earlier announced creation of a certain regional fund and sounded the amounts of 100 billion rubles a year which will distribute on a competitive basis allegedly among subjects on projects on digital economy. Then this moment disappeared from an information field, and there is an ambiguity: whether the similar fund will be created? And if yes, that under what tasks? And whether there will be a uniform contractor of everything who will limit competitive environment and somewhere can be will slow down rates of development? In my opinion, if this is not about some megainfrastructure and crucially important things, there has to be free competition. Please, comment.

Alexey Kozyrev: Question concerning fund and a funding mechanism now a little premature because at this stage we create the actions plan which will define what we will do. Proceeding from it it will be clear how many these actions stand and what amount of financing is required. And, of course, in order that the program effectively was implemented, we need new, more flexible, more operational funding mechanisms for actions which will be carried to an area of responsibility of authorities, first of all. And, probably, such mechanisms will be developed. But now for us — precisely to count the main thing how many money will be required from the budget and on what tasks. And also — how many money will be invested by the commercial organizations which will participate in program implementation. In actions plans — not only governmental activities. There is also large volume of work which will be done by business.

Concerning your question about the only contractor in total it is even technically impossible, considering that in plans — actions not only state, but also which are done by business. They do not depend on the solution on the choice of this or that contractor by authorities at all.

And at plan development of actions the management system requires active interaction of competences, the task working groups with representatives of business, scientific community, public organizations which work at the platform of ANO Tsifrovaya ekonomika between centers. This interaction is intended to provide accounting of interests of all market participants. Not only separate as you speak, contractors of everything, but also a wide range of interested persons.

Therefore I hope and is sure that here the competition will only benefit from the fact that some blocking factors for development of digital technologies will be removed within work, within program implementation. And the commercial organizations, and at the state, including within public-private partnership, will have an opportunity to implement projects.

Alan Salbiyev: your answer just encouraged many, inspired me. By the way, speaking about representatives of regions and our small earth. Verkhnyaya Salda from where you it is, this small locality which somewhere on the 336th place across Russia by the number of inhabitants, presented to our fatherland even five Heroes of the Soviet Union. Do you feel a responsibility load?

Alexey Kozyrev: Yes, a question, of course, provocative, but I can tell you that I feel much bigger responsibility in general for that industry in which to me entrusted to be engaged: area of the electronic government, electronic identification, those sections of the Digital Economy program which supervises the Ministry of Telecom and Mass Communications. It is responsibility in absolutely practical key. There are effective objectives, terms. It is clear, that needs to be done that these purposes to achieve.

Of course, I am proud of fellow countrymen who in the period of the Great Patriotic War made feats, and not only at the front. In Verkhnyaya Salda there is very big enterprise, the defense plants which in the back forged a victory, and after the war in the Titanium Valley provided defense capability of the country, created the export potential. The plant is the leader of world scale in production of titanium and different alloys. Therefore, of course, I am proud of the small homeland, but responsibility on me lies more likely not on territorial sign, and on industry.

Alan Salbiyev: You, undoubtedly, have rather competitive skills. Read your biography - it is rapid growth of career, and, in very responsible spheres where there are no opportunities somehow, you know, to slip. Only by the own sweat and blood, work and persistence. And, having skills in the industry, you in 2016 earned about 3 million rubles. It is ridiculous, taking into account your knowledge, experience and so on. I precisely know that you not the corrupt official. What motivates you and inspires in work?

Alexey Kozyrev: Thanks, very good question. Of course, I am motivated by result which I see in daily life, in how life of my acquaintances, friends, people who write something in social networks changes, about something talk in public transport. I see how even small reforms in scales of the country lead to enormous changes. And it is impracticable to see this effect in business. Of course, in business any there are much more money, but, even very large business project will never be compared on the scale of changes, influences on life of people even to little changes to the best in scales of the whole country. And it just what very strongly distinguishes work in authority from work in business. It is less money, but the feeling from effect of changes is much more powerful, it is much more.

Alan Salbiyev: Thanks for the answer. You one of the few federal officials who wants to be trusted. And here, returning to digital economy, I have such question. We do many useful things: we develop infrastructure of the electronic government for what we have a uniform contractor, we build the entrusted zone. And on this background on the agenda the blockchain technology appeared. Already and the medicine wants to pass to it, and the notariate is wanted to be replaced with it, and other. Whether it will become clear at some point that all enormous state investments into creation of a certain ecosystem of trust were suddenly vain because there is a blockchain technology which for absolutely incomparable, much smaller means and resources can provide all this. Whether there is no such concern? And if suddenly and it turns out, and in the nearest future who will be responsible for these solutions, in your opinion? How with it to be?

Alexey Kozyrev: You know, my colleague when we discussed this situation with him, told what sometime, probably, and metro stations should be dug. But it does not mean that they do not need to be built now. Therefore, of course, change of technologies will lead to the fact that old technologies in which big money is invested will be replaced newer, cheaper, more effective. It is process evolutionary, it is not necessary to be afraid of it.

In each timepoint we can do better, proceeding from the current situations. If we do not solve the current problems, to deal with the current problems, and we will wait that some new magic technologies will sometime come, and here then we will already save much, then it is approach wrong, I am sure. Therefore we should understand that new opportunities will appear, but today we apply those technologies which provide the solution of our current problems.

If to speak on examples of a blockchain, then the blockchain is more likely a generalized character of the whole bunch of new solutions, technologies from which it is accepted to expect that they completely will replace everything that we have. My personal opinion such is that if to look on data which are now created, gather, processed in economy and in the state then conditionally at them it is possible to separate into two big categories. There are data which the state surely wants to receive and control, and each entry in the database is very important, it is always required. These data hardly sometime completely will move to the distributed register because and from the technology point of view, and from the economic point of view it is more profitable to store them in one place, in the protected environment of authorities.

Alexey Kozyrev: evolutionarily we will come to more exact understanding in what cases it is necessary to implement the distributed data storage and in what — centralized

At the same time, very often there is a situation when data should be legally significantly saved and recorded, but they are required for the state seldom, in some specific situations. For example, information from the service record is required to the state once for establishment of pension. And keep the register in the state system in such cases it can be expensive and, maybe, it does not make sense. If these data legally significantly remain in the distributed register, then in that moment of life the person when he needs to show to the state them, the state has an access to the distributed register, it can receive all amount of data and, having set pension, to cease to use these data. For such blockchain systems — it is a method really cheaper and quicker to implement the systems of collecting and information storage.

There is a lot of such examples when not constantly each record is necessary and when time in life one record has to be received. I think that evolutionarily we will come then to more exact understanding in what cases it is necessary to implement the distributed data storage and in what — centralized. And I am sure, as those, and other systems will be demanded.

Alan Salbiyev: You mentioned use of intermediate devices which use biometrics that, having verified the user, the owner of this or that device, we could get access to the state services. At the moment there is very interesting situation when, for example, one reputable "apple" corporation possesses much bigger information about biometric these Russians, the same fingerprints. Now it increases amounts of data on anthropometry, i.e., on face recognition and so on. There is a surprising situation when private business has much bigger arrays of biometric information on citizens, than the state. Whether it seems to you the intermediate mechanism of use of similar devices connivance, encouragement at the level of the state to further collecting of biometrics about our people who, perhaps, will even be stored outside our country?

Alexey Kozyrev: When I spoke about proxy identifying, I meant not only cell phones and technologies of biometrics on these phones, and more likely technology of some carriers deprived even of interfaces. A common example of proxy identification — this binding of the transport card to some account. And time the binding took place, further use of the transport card is equated to the order by the account.

If we have an opportunity any devices, not necessarily phones, and, for example, bracelets, ties and other legally significantly to knit with some electronic profile, then we are ready to support this technology. For example, if to the person to use electronic identification, it is more convenient to put a ring to the reader, then we to it will suggest once to bind this ring. Let's say at the computer it can scan a print from a finger, enter biometrics from the person, enter the login password, receive confirmation on the mobile phone — to tie this ring to the profile and if this ring is put to any readers, then we consider that the password from a Unified identification and authentication system is entered. And for a certain transaction type we will permit transactions with these rings.

Such proxy identifying just allow to make the user experience more convenient. Not require every time of input of the login password or look in the camera, and for some transactions to permit more convenient processes.

Alan Salbiyev: Do you love speed?

Alexey Kozyrev: What Russian does not love fast driving?

Alan Salbiyev: Your motorcycle rusted? Do you have time to use it for designated purpose?

Alexey Kozyrev: Of course. I very often go. I in general play sailing, and at us the base is on the Pirogovsky water reservoir. In the summer on traffic jams it is possible to reach there only on the motorcycle therefore actually every evening when there is an opportunity, at once there.

Alan Salbiyev: Use of the similar type of transport in the conditions of dense traffic of Moscow does not put at risk the future of digital economy?

Alexey Kozyrev:Well, you know if to follow traffic regulations, then …

Alan Salbiyev: But others do not observe them.

Alexey Kozyrev: And for this purpose we have a number of initiatives. It is the National Inspector system and video surveillance on roads.

Alan Salbiyev: Tell more about services for people in the conditions of digital economy. How do you imagine it? How do you see it?

Alexey Kozyrev: First of all, the digital economy gives to people more opportunities on an information access and on participation, on so-called inclusivity. Earlier we used the term "crowdsourcing" when we a large number of people, participating in this or that process, created a representative informative information picture. This technology was quite often applied on the Internet. In the conditions of digital economy crowdsourcing becomes technology platform.

Alexey Kozyrev: we will constantly participate in public crowdsourcing interaction: both concerning training, and concerning work, and concerning entertainments

If we want to organize a responsible attitude to observance of traffic regulations, we need to connect cars and citizens to the system allowing to create the picture of what happens on the road through this crowdsourcing platform. If your machine is connected to a system, and you follow traffic regulations, and the machine of other person is connected and transfers data on what he does not observe, and you can treat these data definitely, then all who in this platform exist, on average begin to follow traffic regulations better.

These effects of involvement of citizens in formation of new forms of public interaction are, probably, that appearance of the new world in which we will live. We will constantly participate in such public crowdsourcing interaction: both concerning training, and concerning work, and concerning entertainments. All this will be much more personified, will catch a feedback from each specific person and to consider it at the system level.

Alan Salbiyev: You had big plans for the organization of connectivity of data. I remember your interview to TAdviser where you said that by the end of 2015 research work will be carried out to understand how it is system, in a complex to provide that connectivity of data at the level of the state. As far as I understand, you profess the principle "the state as service" and support that not the person ran behind service, and the service proactively was defined and appeared to the person, and on a complex of life situations and circumstances. What as a result turned out? Unfortunately, I did not find results in open access, taking into account that you wanted to include for 2016 results of this research work in a task for Rostelecom.

Alexey Kozyrev: Yes, results were prepared, and they were included into the contract for development of the portal. In December we are going to start this section of the portal on life situations. The essence of work was that we determined possibilities of their complex transfer to an electronic form by a number of the most popular public services. Not transfer of each service separately, and chain of parallel or consecutive services.

The idea is that all state services can be separated into two categories. The first — when is necessary to the person information which already is in the state, and he wants that the state from it obtained this information and somewhere recorded. Such information services, in my opinion, as state services should disappear because the data access should not be service. The data access is never the finished product. It is always only a step in a chain of creation of added value. Nobody needs information just for the sake of information. It is necessary for something, than the person, for something important is engaged. Therefore it is wrong to call it public services. It is necessary to create such infrastructure which would allow people to get an information access about itself, stored in authorities and to provide this access to any partners to whom they want to provide it.

The second category of services is connected with a condition of accounting, entering in registers of information. It should work not by the principle of the fact that the person should itself the nobility what signing up in what state base to make and so that when the person has this or that event in life, on the basis of this event we would extend all necessary data from the person to write in information systems.

The system of creation of such business process which would react to the events which are taking place at citizens is for this purpose necessary. And these events happen two types too. There are events about which the state learns before the person, and there are events about which the state does not learn in any way differently, except as from the statement of the person. That case when ourselves know - it is an occasion to create pro-active services which are provided to the person as service without its participation. When we do not know about an event, it is enough to us to learn from the person that something occurred in his life, that, for example, he purchased the house. About such event we learn from the statement of the person. Further we should build a chain of interaction between authorities which without participation of the most this citizen all records in our information systems would make. I am sure that the electronic government of the second generation which at us will appear will be such. There will be no information state services, there will be infrastructure of data access and there will be transaction services which will work or in the automatic pro-active mode when we know about an event, or in the mode of the single message about some fact, about some event with the subsequent organization of all process automatically.

Alan Salbiyev: You are called the informal leader of small group of enthusiasts who want to transfer our life to "digit". And, perhaps, our country for the first time for many years has a chance of peaceful internal transformation in order that it became better for ordinary person to live. Attribute you assessment that by 2025 need in 70% of officials of all levels of the average-lower link will disappear. As you stated it in rather narrow circle, permit not to specify a source. It's true?

Alexey Kozyrev: I think that need for officials for their today's understanding, of course, will disappear. Officials are necessary for several purposes. There is a function on decision making. The majority of solutions algoritmizirutsya well. Those solutions which do not algoritmizirutsya now will be able to be replaced with algorithms in the future using artificial intelligence, machine learning. Therefore function on decision making, considering also possibilities of crowdsourcing platforms, involvement of citizens in decision making processes directly, most likely, will not be such exclusive function.

Function of registrars and people who certify these or those records in information systems, too, most likely will not be such important as legally significant electronic transactions will automatically create all necessary records in databases. There will be no need for registrars, for people who make sure of authenticity of documents and so on.

My expert feeling — 90% of officials are engaged in the current processes in that type in what they are now, and, maybe, 10% are occupied with changes. And in the future, probably, we will see that 90% of officials will be engaged in process of changes, and only 10% will be responsible for functioning of information systems, for maintenance of some conventional processes.

I am sure that there will be still a new category of public servants who will be responsible for balance between the disruptive, blasting technologies and risks connected with separation, stratification of society into additional classes depending on their attitude towards these technologies. New risks, new calls which we see in connection with digital technologies now are, as a rule, connected with limitation of access for people to these or those technologies, to this or that knowledge. And now, as we will develop digital technologies, they will get more and more into our life, and this stratification will amplify. Therefore the separate category of officials or, maybe, visionaries who would provide the balanced development of technologies and society will be required. It is technology sociology.

Alan Salbiyev: Question of private life, the right to a personal secret, the right to being left in own bedroom without keyhole with the drawn curtains. In the conditions of the digital world especially sharply there is a question about "prayvas", protection of private life, personal space. What do you think of this problem? Whether you consider it a problem? Also comment on a thesis that in the conditions of the digital state the ordinary person receives many benefits, but becomes fatally dependent on that eye of "The big brother". Today the thought sounded to replace "administrativka" (administrative punishment for violation of the law) with disconnection from the digital world. And we understand that at some visible moment clicking of one button will actually eliminate the person not only from society and from all processes, but also from life. How with it to be?

Alexey Kozyrev: I think that if there is demand, then there will be also an offer. If people begin to show demand for digital "prayvas", there will be an offer of such systems, such protection which will provide digital personal space and inviolability.

For example, we very often see that when you once in the searcher enter a request about the mountain bicycle, then year you admire advertizing of mountain bicycles where you came. Even spam about it begins to come to mail. And there are already examples when to protect people from such advertisement impact, the software imitating cliques according to absolutely different advertisements is created. This software creates a noise background which does not allow advertisers to define that specifically you look on the Internet.

I think that if your forecast comes true, and people will feel discomfort from what too many data on itself issue outside, surely there will be solutions in the field of personal data protection which will provide an opportunity to manage that to whom to show them to whom not to show how to erase these data. All this will develop.

Alan Salbiyev: As far as do you build up the relationship with the Ministry of Economic Development? Especially as at us two wings of digital economy are a normative regulation and infrastructure. All these years we attentively watched your interaction in the development plan for the electronic government, carrying out administrative reform. You know, I will refrain from judgments on the interoperability layer. I want to tell the following. Whether the effective model of interaction between the regulator and the contractor, creator of infrastructure at that level of importance which is assumed, so to say, by tasks is built? It is the first part of a question. And the second part — what is system, except the digital benefits, digital economy will bring for our country and in the economic plan, and in tactical, strategic?

Alexey Kozyrev: Concerning interaction with colleagues from the Ministry of Economic Development, with our colleagues from other departments, I can tell that, of course, we at all have points of view, and not always they meet. But the essence of team work is that all of us should not be identical. As fingers on a hand — all of them different, but, working together, create something that does a hand by a hand. Besides that one finger on the one hand clasps a subject, another — with another. So very often occurs.

We see this or that task, the purpose which should be executed. Sometimes we disperse in approaches, how exactly to achieve this goal, but an essence of dialog and interaction just that everything together we, as a rule, find solutions which are most effective and which are most justified, proceeding from all aspects of a problem with which we deal.

Speaking about opportunities of digital economy — at the system level it gives a unique opportunity. We endure now an interval, quite short on the historical horizon, when digital technologies did not manage to transform significantly the world in which we live. This process only begins. And what occurs? The most ordinary example is the industry of the taxi: nobody could even assume that taxi drivers will become the most advanced participants of digital economy that each of them will have not on one smartphone, and all of them will be online 24 hours a day. But, as soon as it appeared, the industry very much changed. It occurred because the traditional carriers having traditional structure of cost value understood that implementation of digital technology in some company changed a cost structure, created absolutely other margin, other opportunities for development, and they were forced to change.

In many industries this process did not come yet so deeply that the structure of cost value changed. And when in these industries there will be a leader who will make it the first, he will have a huge potential for growth and extraction of effect of these reforms. In a number of the directions we really can become leaders today. But this period when there is a window of opportunities — very short because in this direction all and who the first will reach run now, we do not know.

Alan Salbiyev: And who at us is a leader of digital production offhand? It is time. And what, being expressed by socialist terminology, five main digital blows? What do you plan in the nearest future?

Alexey Kozyrev: Recently I was at a conference in Sochi, and there, for example, Oleg Tinkov said that the Tinkoff bank is the largest digital bank in the world. I was not too lazy, checked, and is valid, it so. The Tinkoff bank is the largest independent digital commercial bank in the world. Here to you example.

We have "Yandex", Mail.ru, there is Kaspersky. Large number of examples of the technology companies. Due to digital technologies they already become world leaders. Into more traditional industries — in agriculture, industrial production — technologies did not get yet. But it not only in Russia, and in general in the world. And there, of course, huge potential. If we make it, we will have fine opportunities.

If to speak about five shock directions, then, probably, they correspond to five directions of the program for a regulyatorika. The digital code — of course, our legislation, jurisdiction of Russia should be the most profitable to digital technologies in the world. Digital technologies have no borders, and the companies which are engaged in these technologies are very mobile. They can move from the country to the country practically without costs. Therefore if in any directions jurisdiction in Russia is advantageous in terms of legal risks, in terms of taxation, of course, we will receive the big growth of the corresponding industry.

Human capital — what is connected with disclosure of opportunities of talented people which in Russia traditionally there is a lot of. Today practically all leading programmers and mathematicians in the world, their most part — it has the Russian roots. And in general we know, as on education level, and on sharpness level our people very much and are very mobile. It is necessary to realize this potential. It is possible to make it, only if we change the existing approach to formation of competences, qualifications, we will give the chance to people quickly for short term to acquire knowledge, necessary for practical work, and skills. It is very important because a traditional system is very long and methodical approach on formation of a broad spectrum of knowledge and skills.

For digital economy, as a rule, it is required to add to this approach very focused and very short hens of advanced training for acquisition of these or those skills and competences.

In terms of infrastructure, the most important for us is to connect everything to the Internet. Both hospitals, and school, and thing. That each cow, each tree, all this was connected. Then we will obtain large volume of data. But the basis of these data we will be able to make more correct decisions, to train artificial intelligence, to do more exact forecasts. So everything depends on what data at us, and the volume and quality of these data depend on as far as we will be able to collect them. Therefore development of infrastructure, connection to network is the most important task.

Well and in the field of technology backlogs and competences to us it is very important that interaction between researchers and practicians, businessmen who create added value was faster and conscious. In a large number of cases our researchers after obtaining the patent stop and are not engaged in innovations as such. It leads to the fact that our businessmen purchase ready-made innovative solutions abroad, and it, in turn, leads to the fact that researches generally begin to be financed abroad. If we are able to solve a problem of interaction between business and science so that researches turned into innovations, then business will finance research activity not for the sake of development of science, and for the sake of implementation of scientific developments in specific business processes, in creation of some products.

And very important reform which is put in the Digital Economy program — cyber security. Here, probably, the most important task for us is a break in import substitution, in ensuring domestic technologies which would not concede western and which would allow us not to depend on how our partners can behave.

Alexey Kozyrev: our purposes are clear, tasks are defined

Success of this direction, probably, will depend on as far as demand from our economy for the domestic equipment will be shown, domestic technologies. If we, figuratively speaking, now had a State Planning Committee, then it would be the task for national bookkeeping — to consider how many it is necessary for economy of what, and to set the corresponding task of the industry. As there is no State Planning Committee, these problems will be solved within that ecosystem which forms for development and program implementation "Digital economy". I hope that demand will be rather big, considering our plans for development.

Alan Salbiyev: Whether you had some dream which was not performed, and thank God?

Alexey Kozyrev: Of course, there was such dream. I when studied at school, wanted to become a cameraman.

Alan Salbiyev: And in conclusion — about weather. You know, Alexey Olegovich, soon spring. How do you think, at the end of March, 2018 our digital state waits for warming or there will come frosts?

Alexey Kozyrev: You know, I so can tell that our purposes are clear, tasks are defined — for work.